Simon,

The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months back
I did some work falling under the scope of that project, but no one ever
responded to various posts on the topic.

Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?

Itamar.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ==>
> TLP
>
>
> Trademarks:
> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
>
>    * Project Naming And Descriptions :
>      We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
>    * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
>      www.apache.org included.
>      Likely complete, but under review.
>    * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
>      footers, etc.
>      The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
>    * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
>      site In progress.  Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
>      We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
>      so it is slower than we'd like
>    * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
>      Done
>    * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
>      need to be re-evaluated.
>
>
> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
>
> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
> The community has recently released Lucene & Solr 3.5.
>
> Open Relevance Project
>
> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
> learning approaches.  The community is not very active, but
> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
> area.
>
> PyLucene
>
> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java.  Development is
> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
>
> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is pending.
>
>

Itamar,

I joined only earlier this year but I am interested in seeing the
project go forward.

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick

On 12/13/2011 03:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
> Simon,
>
> The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months back
> I did some work falling under the scope of that project, but no one ever
> responded to various posts on the topic.
>
> Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?
>
> Itamar.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>
>> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ==>>
>> TLP
>>
>>
>> Trademarks:
>> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
>> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
>>
>>     * Project Naming And Descriptions :
>>       We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
>>     * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
>>       www.apache.org included.
>>       Likely complete, but under review.
>>     * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
>>       footers, etc.
>>       The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
>>     * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
>>       site In progress.  Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
>>       We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
>>       so it is slower than we'd like
>>     * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
>>       Done
>>     * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
>>       need to be re-evaluated.
>>
>>
>> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
>>
>> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
>> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
>> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
>> The community has recently released Lucene&  Solr 3.5.
>>
>> Open Relevance Project
>>
>> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
>> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
>> learning approaches.  The community is not very active, but
>> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
>> area.
>>
>> PyLucene
>>
>> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java.  Development is
>> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
>> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
>> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
>>
>> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
>> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is pending.
>>
>>
--
Patrick Durusau
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chair, V1 - US TAG to JTC 1/SC 34
Convener, JTC 1/SC 34/WG 3 (Topic Maps)
Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
OASIS Technical Advisory Board (TAB) - member

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Homepage: http://www.durusau.net
Twitter: patrickDurusau

On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:

> Simon,
>
> The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months back
> I did some work falling under the scope of that project,

Just to be clear, no donation was ever made.  You did some work that you put up under your own server, etc.  I personally didn't see it as something you were donating.  If that's not the case, please put up a patch.

> but no one ever
> responded to various posts on the topic.
>
> Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?

In theory, I am, but in reality, it just doesn't seem to have the legs to actually do the work in the project to put together the collections, etc.  The work done by Robert so far should probably just be folded into Lucene's benchmark capabilities.
>
> Itamar.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ==>>
>> TLP
>>
>>
>> Trademarks:
>> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
>> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
>>
>>   * Project Naming And Descriptions :
>>     We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
>>   * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
>>     www.apache.org included.
>>     Likely complete, but under review.
>>   * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
>>     footers, etc.
>>     The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
>>   * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
>>     site In progress.  Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
>>     We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
>>     so it is slower than we'd like
>>   * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
>>     Done
>>   * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
>>     need to be re-evaluated.
>>
>>
>> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
>>
>> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
>> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
>> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
>> The community has recently released Lucene & Solr 3.5.
>>
>> Open Relevance Project
>>
>> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
>> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
>> learning approaches.  The community is not very active, but
>> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
>> area.
>>
>> PyLucene
>>
>> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java.  Development is
>> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
>> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
>> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
>>
>> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
>> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is pending.
>>
>>

--------------------------------------------
Grant Ingersoll
http://www.lucidimagination.com

Grant,

No actual donation was made since no one ever responded to my messages. I
wanted to shape the Orev application up before submitting it to the
project, so I asked for your and others' help. Unfortunately I never got
even a single response.

All sources were already released under the ASL back then:
https://github.com/synhershko/Orev

I set it up on my personal server and emailed a few of you with a link to
an early access, so we can test it and perfect it, without requiring you to
install anything anywhere.

I will not go into the trouble of making a patch when clearly there's no
interest in this project. Hence my reply to Simon's report.

I honestly think this could be a great project to advance open TR and
Lucene, and we already have sort of a roadmap, but unless there's any
interest we won't get anywhere...

Itamar.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Grant Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
>
> > Simon,
> >
> > The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months
> back
> > I did some work falling under the scope of that project,
>
> Just to be clear, no donation was ever made.  You did some work that you
> put up under your own server, etc.  I personally didn't see it as something
> you were donating.  If that's not the case, please put up a patch.
>
> > but no one ever
> > responded to various posts on the topic.
> >
> > Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?
>
> In theory, I am, but in reality, it just doesn't seem to have the legs to
> actually do the work in the project to put together the collections, etc.
>  The work done by Robert so far should probably just be folded into
> Lucene's benchmark capabilities.
>
>
> >
> > Itamar.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ==> >>
> >> TLP
> >>
> >>
> >> Trademarks:
> >> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
> >> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
> >>
> >>   * Project Naming And Descriptions :
> >>     We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
> >>   * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
> >>     www.apache.org included.
> >>     Likely complete, but under review.
> >>   * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
> >>     footers, etc.
> >>     The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
> >>   * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
> >>     site In progress.  Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
> >>     We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
> >>     so it is slower than we'd like
> >>   * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
> >>     Done
> >>   * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
> >>     need to be re-evaluated.
> >>
> >>
> >> LUCENE JAVA/Solr
> >>
> >> Lucene Java is a search-engine toolkit and Solr is a search server
> >> built on top of Lucene. The community is very active. The community
> >> has made significant progress on cutting over to the Apache CMS.
> >> The community has recently released Lucene & Solr 3.5.
> >>
> >> Open Relevance Project
> >>
> >> The Open Relevance Project is a project aimed at providing Lucene
> >> and others tools for judging the quality of search and machine
> >> learning approaches.  The community is not very active, but
> >> we don't expect it to be very high volume either as it is a niche
> >> area.
> >>
> >> PyLucene
> >>
> >> PyLucene is a Python integration of Lucene Java.  Development is
> >> almost entirely an automated port, so this project will never
> >> require a lot of developers. The community is active and is working
> >> towards a PyLucene 3.5 release.
> >>
> >> PyLucene 3.4.0 was released on September 19th.
> >> PyLucene 3.5.0 should be released shortly, the release vote is pending.
> >

On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:

> Grant,
>
> No actual donation was made since no one ever responded to my messages. I
> wanted to shape the Orev application up before submitting it to the
> project, so I asked for your and others' help. Unfortunately I never got
> even a single response.
>
> All sources were already released under the ASL back then:
> https://github.com/synhershko/Orev

That's fine, but that is far different from a patch.  For me, the timing was bad due to travel/work and then the email got buried and forgotten.

>
> I set it up on my personal server and emailed a few of you with a link to
> an early access, so we can test it and perfect it, without requiring you to
> install anything anywhere.
>
> I will not go into the trouble of making a patch when clearly there's no
> interest in this project. Hence my reply to Simon's report.

That's a chicken and egg problem.  Most committers won't bother looking when there isn't a patch or something directly donated.  Why expend the effort when the intentions are unclear?  I should have communicated that back then.  Nobody's fault, just some miscommunication.

That being said, I agree this project feels dead, even though I don't think any of us ever thought it would be a big project.

>
> I honestly think this could be a great project to advance open TR and
> Lucene, and we already have sort of a roadmap, but unless there's any
> interest we won't get anywhere...

Roadmap only gets us so far.  We need people making real contributions to the project.  I know I'm guilty of not being able to do it as I simply don't have the time.  I think the project would be a great place for some digital library students and or IR researchers to come do work, but we need to get the word out to them that we are looking for help.
>
> Itamar.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Grant Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
>>
>>> Simon,
>>>
>>> The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months
>> back
>>> I did some work falling under the scope of that project,
>>
>> Just to be clear, no donation was ever made.  You did some work that you
>> put up under your own server, etc.  I personally didn't see it as something
>> you were donating.  If that's not the case, please put up a patch.
>>
>>> but no one ever
>>> responded to various posts on the topic.
>>>
>>> Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?
>>
>> In theory, I am, but in reality, it just doesn't seem to have the legs to
>> actually do the work in the project to put together the collections, etc.
>> The work done by Robert so far should probably just be folded into
>> Lucene's benchmark capabilities.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Itamar.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ==>>>>
>>>> TLP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trademarks:
>>>> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report, but
>>>> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
>>>>
>>>>  * Project Naming And Descriptions :
>>>>    We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
>>>>  * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
>>>>    www.apache.org included.
>>>>    Likely complete, but under review.
>>>>  * Trademark Attributions : attribution for all ASF marks included in
>>>>    footers, etc.
>>>>    The main TLP site is converted, subproject sites have not.
>>>>  * Logos and Graphics : include TM, use consistent product logo on your
>>>>    site In progress.  Some have been converted to have TM, some not.
>>>>    We don't seem to have ready volunteers on the graphical front,
>>>>    so it is slower than we'd like
>>>>  * Project Metadata : DOAP file checkedin and up to date
>>>>    Done
>>>>  * Once we finish migrating to the new CMS based Website trademarks
>>>>    need to be re-evaluated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LUCENE JAVA/Solr

Grant Ingersoll
http://www.lucidimagination.com

Ok, so what's next?

I'll be using Orev to measure IR performance in HebMorph, so I will be
doing more work on it anyway. My hope was you IR champs are interested
enough in OR to chip in with commentary or advice so we can do it right.
Still hoping...

If you're saying putting this up as a patch will bring more attention I
will do that - but I'll probably need some guidance on that.

Itamar.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Grant Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
>
> > Grant,
> >
> > No actual donation was made since no one ever responded to my messages. I
> > wanted to shape the Orev application up before submitting it to the
> > project, so I asked for your and others' help. Unfortunately I never got
> > even a single response.
> >
> > All sources were already released under the ASL back then:
> > https://github.com/synhershko/Orev
>
> That's fine, but that is far different from a patch.  For me, the timing
> was bad due to travel/work and then the email got buried and forgotten.
>
> >
> > I set it up on my personal server and emailed a few of you with a link to
> > an early access, so we can test it and perfect it, without requiring you
> to
> > install anything anywhere.
> >
> > I will not go into the trouble of making a patch when clearly there's no
> > interest in this project. Hence my reply to Simon's report.
>
> That's a chicken and egg problem.  Most committers won't bother looking
> when there isn't a patch or something directly donated.  Why expend the
> effort when the intentions are unclear?  I should have communicated that
> back then.  Nobody's fault, just some miscommunication.
>
> That being said, I agree this project feels dead, even though I don't
> think any of us ever thought it would be a big project.
>
> >
> > I honestly think this could be a great project to advance open TR and
> > Lucene, and we already have sort of a roadmap, but unless there's any
> > interest we won't get anywhere...
>
> Roadmap only gets us so far.  We need people making real contributions to
> the project.  I know I'm guilty of not being able to do it as I simply
> don't have the time.  I think the project would be a great place for some
> digital library students and or IR researchers to come do work, but we need
> to get the word out to them that we are looking for help.
>
>
> >
> > Itamar.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Grant Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Dec 13, 2011, at 3:39 PM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:
> >>
> >>> Simon,
> >>>
> >>> The Open Relevance project appears to be dead, actually. A few months
> >> back
> >>> I did some work falling under the scope of that project,
> >>
> >> Just to be clear, no donation was ever made.  You did some work that you
> >> put up under your own server, etc.  I personally didn't see it as
> something
> >> you were donating.  If that's not the case, please put up a patch.
> >>
> >>> but no one ever
> >>> responded to various posts on the topic.
> >>>
> >>> Is there anyone still interested in seeing this project evolving?
> >>
> >> In theory, I am, but in reality, it just doesn't seem to have the legs
> to
> >> actually do the work in the project to put together the collections,
> etc.
> >> The work done by Robert so far should probably just be folded into
> >> Lucene's benchmark capabilities.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Itamar.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Simon Willnauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> === Lucene Status Report: December 2011 ==> >>>>
> >>>> TLP
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Trademarks:
> >>>> We have not made progress on trademarks since the last board report,
> but
> >>>> do intend to finish the necessary pieces.
> >>>>
> >>>>  * Project Naming And Descriptions :
> >>>>    We believe this is complete, but are still reviewing.
> >>>>  * Website Navigation Links : navbar links included, link to
> >>>>    www.apache.org included.
> >>>>    Likely complete, but under review.